Every CX leader loves to talk about metrics — average handle time, CSAT, NPS — but are we just chasing numbers without understanding what they actually mean? In this episode of CX Without the BS, we ask the hard question: are KPIs helping our contact centers grow, or are they quietly holding us back?

Justin Jones from SoniqCX joins the show to make the case for “Death to KPIs” — and to reveal why most companies are measuring success the wrong way. He breaks down how focusing on the wrong data drives robotic behavior, ruins agent morale, and turns customer service into a cost center instead of a profit engine.

We explore how “Key Revenue Indicators” (KRIs) can flip the script — turning every customer interaction into a measurable revenue opportunity. From incentivizing agents like salespeople to tracking lifetime value instead of handle time, Justin shows how this mindset shift builds loyalty, boosts retention, and increases profits.

The conversation also dives into the coming AI revolution — and why optimizing for the wrong KPIs could make companies “efficiently poor.” You’ll hear why most contact centers are one algorithm away from chaos and how human empathy, when measured and rewarded the right way, will always outperform automation.

If you’ve ever felt like your call center is stuck in the past, this episode will shake you awake. It’s time to stop worshipping KPIs — and start building customer experiences that actually grow revenue.

We break down the hype around AI in CX and show where it helps — and where it falls flat. You’ll hear the clear difference between “AI as a helper” and “AI as a wall,” plus the fastest ways to stop bots from ruining your brand.

Then we get real about the human touch. Why are customers begging to talk to a person again? We map the moments where empathy beats automation and how to build a clean handoff from bot to human without the headache.

We also expose the silent killers: accidental contact centers, broken basics, and score-chasing (NPS worship) that hides real problems. You’ll learn how to swap vanity metrics for actions that move retention, referrals, and revenue.

Finally, we connect the dot nobody’s talking about: happy teams create happy customers. We show the simple moves — empower, listen, remove red tape — that turn burned-out reps into loyalty machines. No buzzwords. Just what works.

If your business takes calls, answers emails, responds to website chats, or gets customer texts, then the truth is—you’re already in the contact center game whether you know it or not. The problem? Most companies don’t manage it intentionally, and the chaos is silently killing their customer experience.

In this episode of CX Without the BS, Brian breaks down why “just answering phones” isn’t enough anymore. Missed calls, scattered inboxes, and overwhelmed staff don’t just cause frustration—they cost you customers, burn out employees, and damage your reputation before you even know what’s happening.

We explore the difference between an accidental call center and an accidental contact center—and why every small business, credit union, retailer, HVAC company, and even dentist’s office is at risk of falling into this trap. If your customers can reach you on more than one channel, you’re already there.

Brian also exposes the five silent killers of CX: lost customers, lost productivity, inconsistent service, employee burnout, and reputation damage. More importantly, he lays out the practical steps to flip the script—mapping your chaos, centralizing communication, setting rules, supporting employees, and tracking what actually matters.

This isn’t about flashy AI, omnichannel buzzwords, or chasing the enterprise playbook. It’s about keeping things simple, intentional, and structured so you can finally turn chaos into a customer experience that actually works—for you, your employees, and most importantly, your customers.

In this episode of CX Without the BS, we dig into the showdown between HI (Human Intelligence) and AI (Artificial Intelligence) — and how that battle shapes the HE (Human Experience). You’ll hear why the hype cycle around AI is so strong, where bots and “intelligent routing” fail, and why human judgment, empathy, and ownership are still the secret weapons of customer loyalty.

We’ll explore real stories — from chatbots stuck in endless loops, to frontline employees who turn around frustrated customers in minutes, to companies blending AI + HI in a way that actually improves trust. These aren’t theories; they’re real examples that prove the scoreboard isn’t technology features, it’s customer outcomes.

For technology advisors, you’ll get practical talk tracks you can use immediately: how to shift conversations away from “AI features” and back to measurable results like lower effort, higher respect, and stronger trust. For business leaders and IT decision-makers, you’ll get a checklist you can throw at any vendor pushing AI hype to see if it actually improves the experience or just creates expensive friction.

Bottom line: the future of customer experience isn’t artificial. It’s human. If you want to stop the AI theater and start creating experiences customers love — this is an episode you can’t afford to miss.

Discover how storytelling can revolutionize your customer experience strategy. Andrea shares invaluable insights on how to create a cohesive company story that empowers frontline employees, aligns with customer expectations, and ultimately drives business success. Learn why empty promises are the biggest pitfall in CX and how to avoid them by truly embodying your brand's narrative.

Explore the fascinating world of story archetypes and how they can be applied to your business. From "overcoming the monster" to "the hero's journey," Andrea explains how these timeless narrative structures can help your company connect with customers on an emotional level. Find out how to use metaphors and analogies to simplify complex ideas and create memorable experiences for your audience.

Uncover the importance of empowering your customer service representatives with the tools, training, and authority they need to truly represent your brand's promise. Andrea emphasizes the critical role of internal alignment and how it translates to exceptional customer experiences. Learn why investing in your employees' understanding of your company's story is just as crucial as your external marketing efforts.

Get ready to transform your approach to customer experience with actionable advice from a true industry expert. Whether you're a CX professional, business owner, or anyone interested in the power of storytelling, this episode is packed with valuable insights that will help you create meaningful connections with your audience. Don't miss this opportunity to elevate your CX strategy and stand out in a crowded marketplace!

Charlie Newark-French brings a wealth of experience from his roles in UCaaS, CCaaS, and AI, making him the perfect guest to discuss the future of contact centers. From his early days as a venture capitalist investing in RingCentral to his leadership roles at Fuse and HyperScience, Charlie has seen it all. Now, as the CEO of SharpenCX, he's on a mission to revolutionize the industry with innovative, user-friendly AI solutions tailored for the SMB market. Discover how SharpenCX is setting new standards and why Charlie believes the contact center of tomorrow will be one that people love—or at least don't hate as much.

In this episode, we tackle the big questions: _What does the contact center of tomorrow look like? _How can AI be used effectively without falling into the trap of overhyped marketing? Charlie shares his vision for a future where contact centers are not just cost centers but valuable assets that enhance customer satisfaction and loyalty. Learn about the three key trends driving this transformation: the move to the cloud, the rise of digital channels, and the integration of automation and AI.

But it's not all tech talk. We also get personal with Charlie, exploring his journey from South London to New York City and his passion for making a real impact in the CX space. Hear firsthand how his experiences have shaped his approach to leadership and innovation. Plus, get a sneak peek into the unique culture at SharpenCX and why it's a company built on authenticity and real results, not just buzzwords.

Don't miss out on this engaging and informative episode of "CX Without the BS." Whether you're a CX professional, a business leader, or just curious about the future of customer service, this conversation is packed with valuable takeaways. Hit that subscribe button, ring the notification bell, and join us as we strip away the BS and get real about customer experience.

Pam doesn’t just talk about the problems; she provides real solutions. From debunking common myths to sharing her unique strategies, this episode is packed with valuable information that you won’t find anywhere else. Whether you’re a business owner, a CX professional, or just someone interested in improving customer interactions, Pam’s insights will leave you rethinking everything you thought you knew about customer experience.

In this episode, we cover a range of topics that are crucial for anyone looking to enhance their CX game. Pam discusses the importance of understanding your customer’s journey, the role of technology in shaping customer experiences, and how to create a culture that prioritizes customer satisfaction. Her practical advice and real-world examples make complex concepts easy to understand and implement.

But it’s not all business. Pam also shares some of her personal experiences and the lessons she’s learned along the way. Her stories are not only engaging but also provide a deeper understanding of the human side of customer experience. This blend of professional expertise and personal anecdotes makes for a compelling and relatable discussion.

Don’t miss out on this opportunity to learn from one of the best in the field. Hit play now and discover how you can revolutionize your customer experience strategy. And if you find this episode helpful, don’t forget to like, comment, and subscribe for more insightful content on "CX Without the BS."