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    <title>CX without the BS - Episodes Tagged with “Brian Nichols”</title>
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    <description>CX without the BS is a refreshingly honest and engaging podcast that dives deep into the world of Customer Experience (CX). Hosted by industry veterans Tom Milligan and Brian Nichols, the show aims to cut through the jargon and hype to deliver real, actionable insights for CX professionals and business leaders.
Each episode features candid conversations with CX experts, thought leaders, and practitioners who share their experiences, challenges, and successes in the field. The hosts and guests discuss a wide range of topics, from emerging technologies like AI and automation to the human elements of empathy, creativity, and problem-solving that are essential to delivering exceptional customer experiences.
What sets CX without the BS apart is its commitment to authenticity and practicality. Tom and Brian aren't afraid to call out the "BS" in the industry - the buzzwords, the fads, and the overhyped solutions that don't deliver real value. Instead, they focus on strategies and tactics that have been proven to work in the real world, drawing on their own extensive experience as well as the insights of their guests.
Whether you're a seasoned CX professional or just starting out in the field, CX without the BS offers valuable perspectives and actionable advice to help you navigate the complex and ever-changing landscape of customer experience. With its engaging hosts, expert guests, and no-nonsense approach, this podcast is a must-listen for anyone who wants to stay ahead of the curve and deliver exceptional experiences to their customers.
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    <itunes:subtitle>CX without the BS is a no-nonsense podcast that cuts through the jargon to deliver real insights into the Customer Experience (CX) industry. Each episode features candid conversations with industry experts, focusing on practical solutions and honest discussions about the latest trends and challenges in CX.</itunes:subtitle>
    <itunes:author>Brian Nichols</itunes:author>
    <itunes:summary>CX without the BS is a refreshingly honest and engaging podcast that dives deep into the world of Customer Experience (CX). Hosted by industry veterans Tom Milligan and Brian Nichols, the show aims to cut through the jargon and hype to deliver real, actionable insights for CX professionals and business leaders.
Each episode features candid conversations with CX experts, thought leaders, and practitioners who share their experiences, challenges, and successes in the field. The hosts and guests discuss a wide range of topics, from emerging technologies like AI and automation to the human elements of empathy, creativity, and problem-solving that are essential to delivering exceptional customer experiences.
What sets CX without the BS apart is its commitment to authenticity and practicality. Tom and Brian aren't afraid to call out the "BS" in the industry - the buzzwords, the fads, and the overhyped solutions that don't deliver real value. Instead, they focus on strategies and tactics that have been proven to work in the real world, drawing on their own extensive experience as well as the insights of their guests.
Whether you're a seasoned CX professional or just starting out in the field, CX without the BS offers valuable perspectives and actionable advice to help you navigate the complex and ever-changing landscape of customer experience. With its engaging hosts, expert guests, and no-nonsense approach, this podcast is a must-listen for anyone who wants to stay ahead of the curve and deliver exceptional experiences to their customers.
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    <itunes:keywords>CX podcast, customer experience, CX industry, CX trends, CX best practices, CX strategies, CX technology, CX analytics, CX metrics, CX optimization, CX automation, CX AI, CX chatbots, CX omnichannel, CX digital transformation, CX cloud, CX contact center, CX as a service, CX software, CX platform, CX solutions, CX innovation, CX thought leadership, CX experts, CX interviews, CX case studies, CX success stories, CX challenges, CX pain points, CX journey mapping, CX personalization, CX employee experience, CX voice of the customer, CX customer feedback, CX customer loyalty, CX customer retention, CX customer satisfaction, CX customer engagement, CX customer service, CX call center, CX workforce management, CX quality assurance, CX compliance, CX security, CX privacy, CX integration, CX implementation, CX adoption, CX ROI, CX budgeting, CX vendor selection, CX partner ecosystem, CX community, CX events, CX webinars, CX training, CX certification, CX career development, CX jobs, CX hiring, CX diversity and inclusion, CX leadership, CX management, CX coaching, CX mentoring, CX networking</itunes:keywords>
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      <itunes:name>Brian Nichols</itunes:name>
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  <title>Avaya, Mitel, Genesys: How 3 Vendor Collapses DESTROYED SMB Contact Centers</title>
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  <pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2026 15:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Brian Nichols</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Your advisor recommended that platform, collected the commission, and disappeared — and when the vendor went sideways, you were the last one standing with the bill and no exit plan.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>12:29</itunes:duration>
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  <description>Avaya, Mitel, and Genesys left hundreds of SMB contact centers stranded — today you'll learn why your advisor probably never warned you it was coming.
Over 200 vendors are competing for your contact center contract right now.
Not all of them are going to survive. When Avaya went bankrupt, enterprise customers got dedicated migration teams and months of runway.
SMBs got a letter.Your advisor signed the deal, collected the commission, and moved on — long before the migration notice hit your inbox.
This episode is about what due diligence actually looks like for the companies vendors fly over on their way to the enterprise logo.
If your advisor hasn't had this conversation with you, you need to watch this before you sign anything.
Chapters:
0:00  The $400K Letter Nobody Warned Them About
1:40  Welcome to CX Without the BS
2:15  Why This Matters Right Now for Advisors and Buyers
3:20  Real Names, Real Wreckage: Avaya, Mitel, Genesys
5:05  What Your Advisor Should Have Told You
6:20  A Practitioner Who's Lived Through It
8:15  Back to the Story — Now You Know Why
9:00  The Private Equity Time Bomb
9:45  The Vendor Health Five
10:40 Before You Sign Anything, Do This
11:25 The Close — and One Ask 
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    <![CDATA[<p>Avaya, Mitel, and Genesys left hundreds of SMB contact centers stranded — today you&#39;ll learn why your advisor probably never warned you it was coming.</p>

<p>Over 200 vendors are competing for your contact center contract right now.</p>

<p>Not all of them are going to survive. When Avaya went bankrupt, enterprise customers got dedicated migration teams and months of runway.</p>

<p>SMBs got a letter.Your advisor signed the deal, collected the commission, and moved on — long before the migration notice hit your inbox.</p>

<p>This episode is about what due diligence actually looks like for the companies vendors fly over on their way to the enterprise logo.</p>

<p>If your advisor hasn&#39;t had this conversation with you, you need to watch this before you sign anything.</p>

<p>Chapters:<br>
0:00  The $400K Letter Nobody Warned Them About<br>
1:40  Welcome to CX Without the BS<br>
2:15  Why This Matters Right Now for Advisors and Buyers<br>
3:20  Real Names, Real Wreckage: Avaya, Mitel, Genesys<br>
5:05  What Your Advisor Should Have Told You<br>
6:20  A Practitioner Who&#39;s Lived Through It<br>
8:15  Back to the Story — Now You Know Why<br>
9:00  The Private Equity Time Bomb<br>
9:45  The Vendor Health Five<br>
10:40 Before You Sign Anything, Do This<br>
11:25 The Close — and One Ask</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Avaya, Mitel, and Genesys left hundreds of SMB contact centers stranded — today you&#39;ll learn why your advisor probably never warned you it was coming.</p>

<p>Over 200 vendors are competing for your contact center contract right now.</p>

<p>Not all of them are going to survive. When Avaya went bankrupt, enterprise customers got dedicated migration teams and months of runway.</p>

<p>SMBs got a letter.Your advisor signed the deal, collected the commission, and moved on — long before the migration notice hit your inbox.</p>

<p>This episode is about what due diligence actually looks like for the companies vendors fly over on their way to the enterprise logo.</p>

<p>If your advisor hasn&#39;t had this conversation with you, you need to watch this before you sign anything.</p>

<p>Chapters:<br>
0:00  The $400K Letter Nobody Warned Them About<br>
1:40  Welcome to CX Without the BS<br>
2:15  Why This Matters Right Now for Advisors and Buyers<br>
3:20  Real Names, Real Wreckage: Avaya, Mitel, Genesys<br>
5:05  What Your Advisor Should Have Told You<br>
6:20  A Practitioner Who&#39;s Lived Through It<br>
8:15  Back to the Story — Now You Know Why<br>
9:00  The Private Equity Time Bomb<br>
9:45  The Vendor Health Five<br>
10:40 Before You Sign Anything, Do This<br>
11:25 The Close — and One Ask</p>]]>
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  <title>CX Industry LYING About AI Capabilities?</title>
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  <pubDate>Wed, 04 Feb 2026 08:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Brian Nichols</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/b6ecde51-9751-4bc2-8830-d814180321a2/99d66b0c-aff1-4f57-98f2-bbbad920a349.mp3" length="47319492" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:subtitle>If your tech advisor is pushing a 5-year contract, check their commission structure. The industry is addicted to 12x upfront "spiffs" while you get stuck with the bill. It’s time for "Death to ETFs." Stop signing handcuffs.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>56:19</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Derek Roush (The Cloud Sherpa) joins Brian Nichols to reveal the unethical "Spiff Chasing" in Telecom sales and why massive Early Termination Fees are holding businesses hostage. We dive deep into the conflict between honest Technology Advisors and the "Commission Breath" vendors who prioritize huge 12x upfront payouts over your actual business success. Derek exposes how some major UCaaS providers use restrictive 5-year contracts to mask poor support, forcing companies to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars just to escape bad service.
We expose the reality of the "Shell Game" regarding Service Level Agreements (SLAs) and why those "guaranteed uptimes" are mathematically designed to pay you pennies while you lose days of revenue. You need to hear this blueprint for identifying ethical partners through the Technology Advisor Alliance and why the industry's new obsession with "AI everything" is a dangerous lie that will likely tank your customer satisfaction scores if you aren't careful.
Video Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
9:52 - The "Quid Pro Quo" Vendor Trap 
14:13 - The "Ick" of Telecom Sales &amp;amp; Bad Relationships 
24:15 - Why SLAs Are A Total Shell Game 
26:17 - "Death to ETFs" &amp;amp; The Month-to-Month Revolution 
29:00 - Exposing "Spiff Chasing" &amp;amp; 12x Commissions 
47:03 - The Big AI Lie in Customer Experience
Links Section
Vocal Point Consulting: https://www.vpccloud.com/
The Cloud Sherpa Podcast: https://www.youtube.com/@cloudsherpa
The Narrow Road Podcast: https://www.vpccloud.com/ (Available via Vocal Point)
Technology Advisor Alliance (TAA): https://www.technologyadvisoralliance.com/
Level365: https://level365.com/ 
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    <![CDATA[<p>Derek Roush (The Cloud Sherpa) joins Brian Nichols to reveal the unethical &quot;Spiff Chasing&quot; in Telecom sales and why massive Early Termination Fees are holding businesses hostage. We dive deep into the conflict between honest Technology Advisors and the &quot;Commission Breath&quot; vendors who prioritize huge 12x upfront payouts over your actual business success. Derek exposes how some major UCaaS providers use restrictive 5-year contracts to mask poor support, forcing companies to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars just to escape bad service.</p>

<p>We expose the reality of the &quot;Shell Game&quot; regarding Service Level Agreements (SLAs) and why those &quot;guaranteed uptimes&quot; are mathematically designed to pay you pennies while you lose days of revenue. You need to hear this blueprint for identifying ethical partners through the Technology Advisor Alliance and why the industry&#39;s new obsession with &quot;AI everything&quot; is a dangerous lie that will likely tank your customer satisfaction scores if you aren&#39;t careful.</p>

<p>Video Chapters:</p>

<p>0:00 - Intro<br>
9:52 - The &quot;Quid Pro Quo&quot; Vendor Trap <br>
14:13 - The &quot;Ick&quot; of Telecom Sales &amp; Bad Relationships <br>
24:15 - Why SLAs Are A Total Shell Game <br>
26:17 - &quot;Death to ETFs&quot; &amp; The Month-to-Month Revolution <br>
29:00 - Exposing &quot;Spiff Chasing&quot; &amp; 12x Commissions <br>
47:03 - The Big AI Lie in Customer Experience</p>

<p>Links Section<br>
Vocal Point Consulting: <a href="https://www.vpccloud.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.vpccloud.com/</a><br>
The Cloud Sherpa Podcast: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@cloudsherpa" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/@cloudsherpa</a><br>
The Narrow Road Podcast: <a href="https://www.vpccloud.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.vpccloud.com/</a> (Available via Vocal Point)<br>
Technology Advisor Alliance (TAA): <a href="https://www.technologyadvisoralliance.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.technologyadvisoralliance.com/</a><br>
Level365: <a href="https://level365.com/" rel="nofollow">https://level365.com/</a></p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Derek Roush (The Cloud Sherpa) joins Brian Nichols to reveal the unethical &quot;Spiff Chasing&quot; in Telecom sales and why massive Early Termination Fees are holding businesses hostage. We dive deep into the conflict between honest Technology Advisors and the &quot;Commission Breath&quot; vendors who prioritize huge 12x upfront payouts over your actual business success. Derek exposes how some major UCaaS providers use restrictive 5-year contracts to mask poor support, forcing companies to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars just to escape bad service.</p>

<p>We expose the reality of the &quot;Shell Game&quot; regarding Service Level Agreements (SLAs) and why those &quot;guaranteed uptimes&quot; are mathematically designed to pay you pennies while you lose days of revenue. You need to hear this blueprint for identifying ethical partners through the Technology Advisor Alliance and why the industry&#39;s new obsession with &quot;AI everything&quot; is a dangerous lie that will likely tank your customer satisfaction scores if you aren&#39;t careful.</p>

<p>Video Chapters:</p>

<p>0:00 - Intro<br>
9:52 - The &quot;Quid Pro Quo&quot; Vendor Trap <br>
14:13 - The &quot;Ick&quot; of Telecom Sales &amp; Bad Relationships <br>
24:15 - Why SLAs Are A Total Shell Game <br>
26:17 - &quot;Death to ETFs&quot; &amp; The Month-to-Month Revolution <br>
29:00 - Exposing &quot;Spiff Chasing&quot; &amp; 12x Commissions <br>
47:03 - The Big AI Lie in Customer Experience</p>

<p>Links Section<br>
Vocal Point Consulting: <a href="https://www.vpccloud.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.vpccloud.com/</a><br>
The Cloud Sherpa Podcast: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@cloudsherpa" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/@cloudsherpa</a><br>
The Narrow Road Podcast: <a href="https://www.vpccloud.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.vpccloud.com/</a> (Available via Vocal Point)<br>
Technology Advisor Alliance (TAA): <a href="https://www.technologyadvisoralliance.com/" rel="nofollow">https://www.technologyadvisoralliance.com/</a><br>
Level365: <a href="https://level365.com/" rel="nofollow">https://level365.com/</a></p>]]>
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  <title>Why Customers HATE Calling You | Forget AI Chatbots, Fix Your DAMN Phone System First</title>
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  <pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2026 13:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
  <author>Brian Nichols</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Brian Nichols reveals why Unified Communications is the hidden revenue killer in 2026 and why the "Wall Street Trap" is destroying your Customer Experience.

Most SMBs think they have a "tools" problem, stacking AI chatbots and complex routing while their actual front door—the phone system—remains completely broken. In this episode, we expose the "Invisible Failure" of missed calls and dead-end voicemails that are costing you deals every single day. You need to hear this blueprint for fixing your digital front door, auditing your communications in 30 seconds, and escaping the enterprise pricing games that treat you like a number, not a partner.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>13:48</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>no</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Brian Nichols reveals why Unified Communications is the hidden revenue killer in 2026 and why the "Wall Street Trap" is destroying your Customer Experience.
Most SMBs think they have a "tools" problem, stacking AI chatbots and complex routing while their actual front door—the phone system—remains completely broken. In this episode, we expose the "Invisible Failure" of missed calls and dead-end voicemails that are costing you deals every single day. You need to hear this blueprint for fixing your digital front door, auditing your communications in 30 seconds, and escaping the enterprise pricing games that treat you like a number, not a partner. 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>Brian Nichols, CX Without the BS, Unified Communications, UCaaS, Customer Experience, CX Strategy, SMB Tech, Business Growth, Revenue Operations, Phone Systems, Level365, Tech Audit, Business Communications, Call Center, Contact Center, Sales Strategy, Marketing Operations, Small Business Tools, Entrepreneurship, SaaS Sales, Tech Stack, Business Efficiency, Customer Service, Tech Support</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Brian Nichols reveals why Unified Communications is the hidden revenue killer in 2026 and why the &quot;Wall Street Trap&quot; is destroying your Customer Experience.</p>

<p>Most SMBs think they have a &quot;tools&quot; problem, stacking AI chatbots and complex routing while their actual front door—the phone system—remains completely broken. In this episode, we expose the &quot;Invisible Failure&quot; of missed calls and dead-end voicemails that are costing you deals every single day. You need to hear this blueprint for fixing your digital front door, auditing your communications in 30 seconds, and escaping the enterprise pricing games that treat you like a number, not a partner.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Brian Nichols reveals why Unified Communications is the hidden revenue killer in 2026 and why the &quot;Wall Street Trap&quot; is destroying your Customer Experience.</p>

<p>Most SMBs think they have a &quot;tools&quot; problem, stacking AI chatbots and complex routing while their actual front door—the phone system—remains completely broken. In this episode, we expose the &quot;Invisible Failure&quot; of missed calls and dead-end voicemails that are costing you deals every single day. You need to hear this blueprint for fixing your digital front door, auditing your communications in 30 seconds, and escaping the enterprise pricing games that treat you like a number, not a partner.</p>]]>
  </itunes:summary>
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<item>
  <title>Why KPIs Are Killing Your Business</title>
  <link>https://cswithoutthebs.fireside.fm/why-kpis-are-killing-your-business</link>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2025 15:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Brian Nichols</author>
  <enclosure url="https://aphid.fireside.fm/d/1437767933/b6ecde51-9751-4bc2-8830-d814180321a2/706b4c0d-05d3-4ce0-9f68-486ecf2d4622.mp3" length="74669712" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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  <itunes:author>Brian Nichols</itunes:author>
  <itunes:subtitle>Are KPIs actually killing your business? Justin Jones joins CX Without the BS to explain why chasing numbers destroys customer experience — and how to turn every service call into a revenue event.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>51:51</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>Is it time to kill KPIs once and for all?
Every CX leader loves to talk about metrics — average handle time, CSAT, NPS — but are we just chasing numbers without understanding what they actually mean? In this episode of CX Without the BS, we ask the hard question: are KPIs helping our contact centers grow, or are they quietly holding us back?
Justin Jones from SoniqCX joins the show to make the case for “Death to KPIs” — and to reveal why most companies are measuring success the wrong way. He breaks down how focusing on the wrong data drives robotic behavior, ruins agent morale, and turns customer service into a cost center instead of a profit engine.
We explore how “Key Revenue Indicators” (KRIs) can flip the script — turning every customer interaction into a measurable revenue opportunity. From incentivizing agents like salespeople to tracking lifetime value instead of handle time, Justin shows how this mindset shift builds loyalty, boosts retention, and increases profits.
The conversation also dives into the coming AI revolution — and why optimizing for the wrong KPIs could make companies “efficiently poor.” You’ll hear why most contact centers are one algorithm away from chaos and how human empathy, when measured and rewarded the right way, will always outperform automation.
If you’ve ever felt like your call center is stuck in the past, this episode will shake you awake. It’s time to stop worshipping KPIs — and start building customer experiences that actually grow revenue. 
</description>
  <itunes:keywords>customer experience, KPIs, contact center, CX strategy, customer service, call center management, CX metrics, key revenue indicators, customer loyalty, AI in contact centers, agent performance, revenue growth, customer retention, CX leadership, business strategy, KPI mistakes, customer lifetime value, Sonic CX, CX Without the BS, Brian Nichols</itunes:keywords>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Is it time to kill KPIs once and for all?</p>

<p>Every CX leader loves to talk about metrics — average handle time, CSAT, NPS — but are we just chasing numbers without understanding what they actually mean? In this episode of CX Without the BS, we ask the hard question: are KPIs helping our contact centers grow, or are they quietly holding us back?</p>

<p>Justin Jones from SoniqCX joins the show to make the case for “Death to KPIs” — and to reveal why most companies are measuring success the wrong way. He breaks down how focusing on the wrong data drives robotic behavior, ruins agent morale, and turns customer service into a cost center instead of a profit engine.</p>

<p>We explore how “Key Revenue Indicators” (KRIs) can flip the script — turning every customer interaction into a measurable revenue opportunity. From incentivizing agents like salespeople to tracking lifetime value instead of handle time, Justin shows how this mindset shift builds loyalty, boosts retention, and increases profits.</p>

<p>The conversation also dives into the coming AI revolution — and why optimizing for the wrong KPIs could make companies “efficiently poor.” You’ll hear why most contact centers are one algorithm away from chaos and how human empathy, when measured and rewarded the right way, will always outperform automation.</p>

<p>If you’ve ever felt like your call center is stuck in the past, this episode will shake you awake. It’s time to stop worshipping KPIs — and start building customer experiences that actually grow revenue.</p>]]>
  </content:encoded>
  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>Is it time to kill KPIs once and for all?</p>

<p>Every CX leader loves to talk about metrics — average handle time, CSAT, NPS — but are we just chasing numbers without understanding what they actually mean? In this episode of CX Without the BS, we ask the hard question: are KPIs helping our contact centers grow, or are they quietly holding us back?</p>

<p>Justin Jones from SoniqCX joins the show to make the case for “Death to KPIs” — and to reveal why most companies are measuring success the wrong way. He breaks down how focusing on the wrong data drives robotic behavior, ruins agent morale, and turns customer service into a cost center instead of a profit engine.</p>

<p>We explore how “Key Revenue Indicators” (KRIs) can flip the script — turning every customer interaction into a measurable revenue opportunity. From incentivizing agents like salespeople to tracking lifetime value instead of handle time, Justin shows how this mindset shift builds loyalty, boosts retention, and increases profits.</p>

<p>The conversation also dives into the coming AI revolution — and why optimizing for the wrong KPIs could make companies “efficiently poor.” You’ll hear why most contact centers are one algorithm away from chaos and how human empathy, when measured and rewarded the right way, will always outperform automation.</p>

<p>If you’ve ever felt like your call center is stuck in the past, this episode will shake you awake. It’s time to stop worshipping KPIs — and start building customer experiences that actually grow revenue.</p>]]>
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  <title>Why Small Businesses Need CX Systems Too</title>
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  <pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2025 16:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Most businesses are already running a contact center without realizing it—and this episode shows how to move from accidental chaos to intentional customer experience.</itunes:subtitle>
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If your business takes calls, answers emails, responds to website chats, or gets customer texts, then the truth is—you’re already in the contact center game whether you know it or not. The problem? Most companies don’t manage it intentionally, and the chaos is silently killing their customer experience.
In this episode of CX Without the BS, Brian breaks down why “just answering phones” isn’t enough anymore. Missed calls, scattered inboxes, and overwhelmed staff don’t just cause frustration—they cost you customers, burn out employees, and damage your reputation before you even know what’s happening.
We explore the difference between an accidental call center and an accidental contact center—and why every small business, credit union, retailer, HVAC company, and even dentist’s office is at risk of falling into this trap. If your customers can reach you on more than one channel, you’re already there.
Brian also exposes the five silent killers of CX: lost customers, lost productivity, inconsistent service, employee burnout, and reputation damage. More importantly, he lays out the practical steps to flip the script—mapping your chaos, centralizing communication, setting rules, supporting employees, and tracking what actually matters.
This isn’t about flashy AI, omnichannel buzzwords, or chasing the enterprise playbook. It’s about keeping things simple, intentional, and structured so you can finally turn chaos into a customer experience that actually works—for you, your employees, and most importantly, your customers. 
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    <![CDATA[<p>Are you accidentally running a contact center without even realizing it?</p>

<p>If your business takes calls, answers emails, responds to website chats, or gets customer texts, then the truth is—you’re already in the contact center game whether you know it or not. The problem? Most companies don’t manage it intentionally, and the chaos is silently killing their customer experience.</p>

<p>In this episode of CX Without the BS, Brian breaks down why “just answering phones” isn’t enough anymore. Missed calls, scattered inboxes, and overwhelmed staff don’t just cause frustration—they cost you customers, burn out employees, and damage your reputation before you even know what’s happening.</p>

<p>We explore the difference between an accidental call center and an accidental contact center—and why every small business, credit union, retailer, HVAC company, and even dentist’s office is at risk of falling into this trap. If your customers can reach you on more than one channel, you’re already there.</p>

<p>Brian also exposes the five silent killers of CX: lost customers, lost productivity, inconsistent service, employee burnout, and reputation damage. More importantly, he lays out the practical steps to flip the script—mapping your chaos, centralizing communication, setting rules, supporting employees, and tracking what actually matters.</p>

<p>This isn’t about flashy AI, omnichannel buzzwords, or chasing the enterprise playbook. It’s about keeping things simple, intentional, and structured so you can finally turn chaos into a customer experience that actually works—for you, your employees, and most importantly, your customers.</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Are you accidentally running a contact center without even realizing it?</p>

<p>If your business takes calls, answers emails, responds to website chats, or gets customer texts, then the truth is—you’re already in the contact center game whether you know it or not. The problem? Most companies don’t manage it intentionally, and the chaos is silently killing their customer experience.</p>

<p>In this episode of CX Without the BS, Brian breaks down why “just answering phones” isn’t enough anymore. Missed calls, scattered inboxes, and overwhelmed staff don’t just cause frustration—they cost you customers, burn out employees, and damage your reputation before you even know what’s happening.</p>

<p>We explore the difference between an accidental call center and an accidental contact center—and why every small business, credit union, retailer, HVAC company, and even dentist’s office is at risk of falling into this trap. If your customers can reach you on more than one channel, you’re already there.</p>

<p>Brian also exposes the five silent killers of CX: lost customers, lost productivity, inconsistent service, employee burnout, and reputation damage. More importantly, he lays out the practical steps to flip the script—mapping your chaos, centralizing communication, setting rules, supporting employees, and tracking what actually matters.</p>

<p>This isn’t about flashy AI, omnichannel buzzwords, or chasing the enterprise playbook. It’s about keeping things simple, intentional, and structured so you can finally turn chaos into a customer experience that actually works—for you, your employees, and most importantly, your customers.</p>]]>
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  <title>How to Make Customers LOVE Your Call Center</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2024 09:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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  <itunes:subtitle>Charlie Newark-French, CEO of Sharpen, discusses how practical AI and innovative solutions are transforming the contact center industry to create customer experiences that people love (or at least don't hate as much).
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  <description>Are you tired of the endless marketing fluff and empty promises in the CX industry? Join us for a no-nonsense conversation on "CX Without the BS" as we dive deep into the real issues and solutions in the contact center world. In this episode, Brian Nichols and Tom Milligan sit down with Charlie Newark-French, CEO of SharpenCX, to cut through the noise and get to the heart of what truly matters in customer experience. If you're looking for genuine insights and practical advice, this is the episode you can't afford to miss!
Charlie Newark-French brings a wealth of experience from his roles in UCaaS, CCaaS, and AI, making him the perfect guest to discuss the future of contact centers. From his early days as a venture capitalist investing in RingCentral to his leadership roles at Fuse and HyperScience, Charlie has seen it all. Now, as the CEO of SharpenCX, he's on a mission to revolutionize the industry with innovative, user-friendly AI solutions tailored for the SMB market. Discover how SharpenCX is setting new standards and why Charlie believes the contact center of tomorrow will be one that people love—or at least don't hate as much.
In this episode, we tackle the big questions: _What does the contact center of tomorrow look like? _How can AI be used effectively without falling into the trap of overhyped marketing? Charlie shares his vision for a future where contact centers are not just cost centers but valuable assets that enhance customer satisfaction and loyalty. Learn about the three key trends driving this transformation: the move to the cloud, the rise of digital channels, and the integration of automation and AI.
But it's not all tech talk. We also get personal with Charlie, exploring his journey from South London to New York City and his passion for making a real impact in the CX space. Hear firsthand how his experiences have shaped his approach to leadership and innovation. Plus, get a sneak peek into the unique culture at SharpenCX and why it's a company built on authenticity and real results, not just buzzwords.
Don't miss out on this engaging and informative episode of "CX Without the BS." Whether you're a CX professional, a business leader, or just curious about the future of customer service, this conversation is packed with valuable takeaways. Hit that subscribe button, ring the notification bell, and join us as we strip away the BS and get real about customer experience. 
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    <![CDATA[<p><strong><em>Are you tired of the endless marketing fluff and empty promises in the CX industry?</em></strong> Join us for a no-nonsense conversation on &quot;<strong>CX Without the BS</strong>&quot; as we dive deep into the real issues and solutions in the contact center world. In this episode, Brian Nichols and Tom Milligan sit down with Charlie Newark-French, CEO of SharpenCX, to cut through the noise and get to the heart of what truly matters in customer experience. If you&#39;re looking for genuine insights and practical advice, this is the episode you can&#39;t afford to miss!</p>

<p>Charlie Newark-French brings a wealth of experience from his roles in UCaaS, CCaaS, and AI, making him the perfect guest to discuss the future of contact centers. From his early days as a venture capitalist investing in RingCentral to his leadership roles at Fuse and HyperScience, Charlie has seen it all. Now, as the CEO of SharpenCX, he&#39;s on a mission to revolutionize the industry with innovative, user-friendly AI solutions tailored for the SMB market. Discover how SharpenCX is setting new standards and why Charlie believes the contact center of tomorrow will be one that people love—or at least don&#39;t hate as much.</p>

<p>In this episode, we tackle the big questions: <strong>_What does the contact center of tomorrow look like? _</strong>How can AI be used effectively without falling into the trap of overhyped marketing? Charlie shares his vision for a future where contact centers are not just cost centers but valuable assets that enhance customer satisfaction and loyalty. Learn about the three key trends driving this transformation: the move to the cloud, the rise of digital channels, and the integration of automation and AI.</p>

<p>But it&#39;s not all tech talk. We also get personal with Charlie, exploring his journey from South London to New York City and his passion for making a real impact in the CX space. Hear firsthand how his experiences have shaped his approach to leadership and innovation. Plus, get a sneak peek into the unique culture at SharpenCX and why it&#39;s a company built on authenticity and real results, not just buzzwords.</p>

<p>Don&#39;t miss out on this engaging and informative episode of &quot;CX Without the BS.&quot; Whether you&#39;re a CX professional, a business leader, or just curious about the future of customer service, this conversation is packed with valuable takeaways. Hit that subscribe button, ring the notification bell, and join us as we strip away the BS and get real about customer experience.</p>]]>
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<p>Charlie Newark-French brings a wealth of experience from his roles in UCaaS, CCaaS, and AI, making him the perfect guest to discuss the future of contact centers. From his early days as a venture capitalist investing in RingCentral to his leadership roles at Fuse and HyperScience, Charlie has seen it all. Now, as the CEO of SharpenCX, he&#39;s on a mission to revolutionize the industry with innovative, user-friendly AI solutions tailored for the SMB market. Discover how SharpenCX is setting new standards and why Charlie believes the contact center of tomorrow will be one that people love—or at least don&#39;t hate as much.</p>

<p>In this episode, we tackle the big questions: <strong>_What does the contact center of tomorrow look like? _</strong>How can AI be used effectively without falling into the trap of overhyped marketing? Charlie shares his vision for a future where contact centers are not just cost centers but valuable assets that enhance customer satisfaction and loyalty. Learn about the three key trends driving this transformation: the move to the cloud, the rise of digital channels, and the integration of automation and AI.</p>

<p>But it&#39;s not all tech talk. We also get personal with Charlie, exploring his journey from South London to New York City and his passion for making a real impact in the CX space. Hear firsthand how his experiences have shaped his approach to leadership and innovation. Plus, get a sneak peek into the unique culture at SharpenCX and why it&#39;s a company built on authenticity and real results, not just buzzwords.</p>

<p>Don&#39;t miss out on this engaging and informative episode of &quot;CX Without the BS.&quot; Whether you&#39;re a CX professional, a business leader, or just curious about the future of customer service, this conversation is packed with valuable takeaways. Hit that subscribe button, ring the notification bell, and join us as we strip away the BS and get real about customer experience.</p>]]>
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  <title>The Biggest MYTHS About Customer Service | CX Industry Secrets</title>
  <link>https://cswithoutthebs.fireside.fm/the-biggest-myths-about-customer-service</link>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 07 Jun 2024 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
  <author>Brian Nichols</author>
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  <itunes:subtitle>In this episode of "CX Without the BS," Andy Bird, VP of CX at Avant, reveals how the pandemic and rapid technological advancements have transformed customer experience, emphasizing the importance of starting small with AI, building long-term relationships, and focusing on ROI-driven strategies.</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>39:47</itunes:duration>
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  <description>Are you ready to uncover the biggest myths and transformations in the Customer Experience (CX) industry? In this episode of "CX Without the BS," we dive deep into the evolution of CX over the past decade, the impact of the pandemic, and the future of AI in customer service. Join hosts Brian Nichols and Tom Milligan as they sit down with Andy Bird, VP of CX at Avant, to discuss the real changes and challenges in the CX world.
Andy Bird brings over 25 years of experience in the CX space, sharing invaluable insights on how the industry has shifted from focusing solely on customer satisfaction to driving ROI and engagement. Discover how the pandemic forced companies to rethink their customer service strategies, the rise of remote work, and the critical role of technology in enhancing customer interactions. Andy's firsthand experiences and expert opinions will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about CX.
In this episode, we explore the importance of starting small with AI implementations, the dangers of overdeveloping roadmaps, and the need for a balanced approach to technology adoption. Andy emphasizes the significance of building long-term relationships with customers and the value of continuous education for trusted advisors. Learn how to navigate the complexities of modern CX and avoid common pitfalls that can derail your customer service efforts.
We also delve into the ethical considerations of the CX industry, the importance of trust and integrity, and why Avant stands out as a leader in the field. Andy's candid discussion about the challenges and opportunities in CX provides a refreshing perspective on what it takes to succeed in this ever-evolving landscape. Whether you're a CX professional, a business leader, or simply curious about the future of customer service, this episode is packed with actionable insights and thought-provoking discussions.
Don't miss out on this engaging conversation that cuts through the BS and gets to the heart of what really matters in CX. Hit the play button now to learn from one of the industry's top experts and elevate your customer experience game. And if you enjoy the episode, be sure to like, comment, and subscribe for more no-nonsense insights on CX, AI, and beyond! 
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<p>Andy Bird brings over 25 years of experience in the CX space, sharing invaluable insights on how the industry has shifted from focusing solely on customer satisfaction to driving ROI and engagement. Discover how the pandemic forced companies to rethink their customer service strategies, the rise of remote work, and the critical role of technology in enhancing customer interactions. Andy&#39;s firsthand experiences and expert opinions will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about CX.</p>

<p>In this episode, we explore the importance of starting small with AI implementations, the dangers of overdeveloping roadmaps, and the need for a balanced approach to technology adoption. Andy emphasizes the significance of building long-term relationships with customers and the value of continuous education for trusted advisors. Learn how to navigate the complexities of modern CX and avoid common pitfalls that can derail your customer service efforts.</p>

<p>We also delve into the ethical considerations of the CX industry, the importance of trust and integrity, and why Avant stands out as a leader in the field. Andy&#39;s candid discussion about the challenges and opportunities in CX provides a refreshing perspective on what it takes to succeed in this ever-evolving landscape. Whether you&#39;re a CX professional, a business leader, or simply curious about the future of customer service, this episode is packed with actionable insights and thought-provoking discussions.</p>

<p>Don&#39;t miss out on this engaging conversation that cuts through the BS and gets to the heart of what really matters in CX. Hit the play button now to learn from one of the industry&#39;s top experts and elevate your customer experience game. And if you enjoy the episode, be sure to like, comment, and subscribe for more no-nonsense insights on CX, AI, and beyond!</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Are you ready to uncover the biggest myths and transformations in the Customer Experience (CX) industry? In this episode of &quot;CX Without the BS,&quot; we dive deep into the evolution of CX over the past decade, the impact of the pandemic, and the future of AI in customer service. Join hosts Brian Nichols and Tom Milligan as they sit down with Andy Bird, VP of CX at Avant, to discuss the real changes and challenges in the CX world.</p>

<p>Andy Bird brings over 25 years of experience in the CX space, sharing invaluable insights on how the industry has shifted from focusing solely on customer satisfaction to driving ROI and engagement. Discover how the pandemic forced companies to rethink their customer service strategies, the rise of remote work, and the critical role of technology in enhancing customer interactions. Andy&#39;s firsthand experiences and expert opinions will leave you questioning everything you thought you knew about CX.</p>

<p>In this episode, we explore the importance of starting small with AI implementations, the dangers of overdeveloping roadmaps, and the need for a balanced approach to technology adoption. Andy emphasizes the significance of building long-term relationships with customers and the value of continuous education for trusted advisors. Learn how to navigate the complexities of modern CX and avoid common pitfalls that can derail your customer service efforts.</p>

<p>We also delve into the ethical considerations of the CX industry, the importance of trust and integrity, and why Avant stands out as a leader in the field. Andy&#39;s candid discussion about the challenges and opportunities in CX provides a refreshing perspective on what it takes to succeed in this ever-evolving landscape. Whether you&#39;re a CX professional, a business leader, or simply curious about the future of customer service, this episode is packed with actionable insights and thought-provoking discussions.</p>

<p>Don&#39;t miss out on this engaging conversation that cuts through the BS and gets to the heart of what really matters in CX. Hit the play button now to learn from one of the industry&#39;s top experts and elevate your customer experience game. And if you enjoy the episode, be sure to like, comment, and subscribe for more no-nonsense insights on CX, AI, and beyond!</p>]]>
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